"It feels like this is the last big party before a general election that the Democrats are sure to lose," said de Rothschild, who was wearing a button honoring Stephanie Tubbs Jones, the late Ohio congresswoman, and fervent Clinton supporter, who died last week from a brain aneurysm. "It's the political equivalent of re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. It feels like that because of the polls. The pick of Joe Biden telescoped that Barack Obama knows his weaknesses. He doesn't have experience in foreign policy and he does not connect well to ordinary people, and Joe Biden doesn't fix that. He just magnifies the problem. He's a fine guy. I want him to go back to the Senate."
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She and Ross Douthat would go well together.
Lady de Rothchild never worked an honest day in her life. She's a clueless idiot who has no idea how most Americans live and knows nothing about this country or how our political process works. She lives in a cocoon on Mount Olympus. She should shut her big mouth and go visit a casino in Monte Carlo or go sailing in the French Riviera.
not true. she's from new jersey and built a very, very successful business. that being said, she's a horrible-horrible human being who prizes her lost ambassadorship over the lives of hard working americans, white americans. and for that, she will never be forgiven!
Its funny, I can see the Lady telling HRC: "Darling Hillary, You are simply the inevitable choice" right after the 06 midterm elections.
I will proudly claim total ignorance here...who or what is a Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild? And what does it say about the GOP that a five-name personage is in Denver this week?
people like her are just delusional.
it's a form of mass hysteria.
i blame hillary for the fact that it is still so prevalent, as she definitely helped to create it and then stoke it with all of the bogus charges that sexism helped to derail her campaign.
but people like de rothchild need to get a life and get over their scarlett o'hara complex.
would democrats ever, in a thousand years, have accepted african-americans behaving in this fashion if their preferred candidate had lost?
no one would have been sympathetic, there would have been no empathy, no understanding statements about the need for catharsis.
black folks would have been told that they'd better get over it and get in line.
all of that considered, the need to head off this nonsense was another reason obama should have bit the bullet and made hillary his number 2.
Just as an intellectual exercise, what happens if Obama wins the election without these die-hard Hillary supports ever coming on board?
Or what if Obama won it without the power of Bill Clinton?
I'm not saying it will happen, just fantasizing...
Why do these people continue to get coverage? Who gives a shit? Someone should bust that squeaky wheel off the machine and toss it in the dumpster.
I will proudly claim total ignorance here...who or what is a Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild? And what does it say about the GOP that a five-name personage is in Denver this week?
It's says nothing about the GOP. She's one of the largest fundraisers for Hillary.
why do they get coverage?
the same reason the media ignores mccain's lies, gaffes and distortions.
the corporate media has a vested interest in making certain that their republican benefactors win this race.
they understand that the more discord, the sloppier the convention, the less time devoted to an examination of the respective platforms and policies of the parties, the better chance that republicans will win.
next week, during the republican convention, you will notice a marked lack of coverage about ron paul and george bush and dick cheney and all of the other problematic issues that mccain should have to deal with.
what you will see is 24/7 coverage of republicans attacking obama and pundits marveling at how tight and focused republicans are being.
and instead of a parade of democratic pundits, strategists and politicians critiquing and commenting on republicans, you will see the same republican faces who've been working the cable shows this week - like mike murphy and pat buchanan and rudy guiliani - commenting on the republican convention.
[S]he definitely helped to create it and then stoke it with all of the bogus charges that sexism helped to derail her campaign.
Hillary as a candidate had a lot of problems, but let's not be stupid. Sexism clearly played a part in the campaign, just as racism did. Whether the Obama camp contributed to the media's sexist tone is up for debate, but it's disingenuous to suggest that misogyny is a thing of the past. It isn't.
reading is fundamental.
i wrote:
"...bogus charges that sexism helped to derail her campaign."
i never said that sexism or misogyny was a thing of the past.
i defy anyone to show how sexism had anything to do with the professional malpractice committed by the likes of mark penn. it was the horribly amateurish handling of the campaign that derailed her campaign. all you need to do is read the emails compiled by josh green here in the atlantic to understand why she lost.
she thought, as she stated in an interview, that everything would be over by super tuesday.
until she'd lost iowa, i believe, her campaign had not even CONSIDERED delegate counts and how caucuses might play into the primary delegate count.
that fact is by itself mindboggling. and inexcusable.
and in the meantime, obama had a sophisticated, detailed plan that he executed with precision.
absolutely, sexism exists in this country and there were plenty of tv pundits who exhibited their sexism front and center during the primary season.
but hillary lost because of the incompetence of her own campaign. she was beaten by someone who ran a superior campaign.
the attempt to denigrate obama's achievement by arguing that sexism, not obama's superior candidacy, beat her is one of the biggest myths of the last few months. and hillary's throwing it into the mix of the campaign was shameful.
she lost because obama beat her.
hillary's reliance on it is a black mark on her career. and this comes from someone who has been a longtime admirer of hers.
to corrrect my previous post. hillary's people first considered delegate counts 12 days before iowa's primary, not after her loss there.
from josh green's article:
"Then, on December 22—just 12 days before Iowa—Ickes tried again, in a memo that seems to be introducing the subject of delegates for the first time:
Assuming that after Iowa and New Hampshire the presidential nominating contest narrows to two competitive candidates who remain locked in a highly contested electionthrough 5 February, the focus of the campaign and press will shift to the delegate count. The dedication of resources (including candidate time) should be influenced, in part, by factors that will afford HRC an advantage in acquiring more delegates compared to her opponent(s). "
Hillary was victimized by sexist treatment from some quarters (Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson). However, her supporters can't use sexism as the primary cause of her defeat. Hillary was victimized by incompetence and ineptitude from the highest ranks of her campaign staff.
Hillary deserved to lose because she ran a dirty campaign based on race-baiting and fear-mongering. As evidenced by the Bosnia sniper story, Hillary has great difficulty telling the truth. William Safire put it best when he wrote that Hillary is a "congenital liar" So true.
Lady de Rothschild has passed self-parody and is into some sort of uber form of the genre. I'm actually finding her delphic pronouncements of impending doom even more entertaining than her connection to average middle class Americans from a couple of weeks ago.
As I said, there are many reasons Hillary lost, and I don't dispute that Penn's mismanagement is near the top of the list. But the sexism was clearly there, and its effect on the media definitely made a non-negligible impact on the campaign. Did it cost her the election? I don't know. Maybe. In a primary this close, just about everything mattered. To say that one thing was critical to the outcome doesn't mean something else isn't.
The pick of Joe Biden telescoped that Barack Obama knows his weaknesses.
I think she means telegraphed.
Unless this is a new metaphorical verbing of the noun telescope.
Telescope, verb: to signify something to people who are too far away from reality to see anything meaningfully with their own eyes.
i'm going to leave this issue alone after this comment.
it boggles the mind that anyone familiar with the inner workings of the clinton campaign - as has been reported in many publications, such as this - would state anything but this: her staff ran a totally incompetent campaign that squandered her frontrunner status, squandered money, sunk her 20 million dollars in debt, didn't do adequate strategic planning, didn't prepare for crucial contests in the primary race and was ultimately beaten by a historic candidate who revolutionized how primary candidates approached their contests.
this "sexism beat hillary" nonsense is exactly what black folks deal with all of the time. it's never the fact that the victorious black candidate was better and superior or smarter or worked harder and just kicked butt. it's never just, yeah he won, fair and square, congratulations. its always something...
sorry to get a bit off message on this thread.
Did Lady De Rothschild really say that the Biden selection "telescoped" something? Did she mean "telegraphed"? That's too funny.
Attention everyone: Barack Obama is the Democratic Party nominee for President.
Whether sexism was 20% responsible or 80% responsible for her defeat is irrelevant. It's time to give it a rest.
John McCain is a very, very bad man who would be a very, very bad president.
John McCain is too unintelligent and too old to be president.
Hillary Clinton's stragglers need to stop their whining and moaning, suck it up and vote for Obama.
frankie d - "black folks would have been told that they'd better get over it and get in line."
JK - "Hillary Clinton's stragglers need to stop their whining and moaning, suck it up and vote for Obama."
Interesting juxtaposition that.
MouseJunior,
i should have added that black folks would have been given that message back in march or so when it became obvious that, absent some chicanery and rules mamipulation, the game was over.
the fact that clinton was allowed to continue on and on and on, even though everyone understood what the outcome would be is something that would not have been tolerated if the complainants were black folks upset at the treatment of their candidate.
and the fact is that party leaders NEVER DID DELIVER THAT MESSAGE TO THE CLINTON SUPPORTERS.
never.
You know, sexism vs. racism.
It's a black guy vs. a white woman. I figure its a wash as far as isms go.
She lost because she and her advisers assumed she had it in the bag and they got upset by a guy who knew how to fight and had a plan for the entire game, not just the first half.
End o' story.
Hillary had more advantages than any modern Presidential candidate, including Dubya.
And, she lost.
Period.
It would be a pain, but I wish some enterprising reporter would find out how much Obama's tax plan would cost her per year and report it. At the very least someone should be stating the obvious fact that this woman has a big (to normal people anyway) financial interest in Obama failing to get elected.
Violence is always wrong, especially against women. But if someone at the convention slapped this chick, I would be willing to look the other way...
I am so tired of the narrative that picking Joe Biden shows Obama is weak on foreign policy. Since when is surrounding yourself with the most experienced minds a negative thing. He ought to be applauded for it.
Abraham Lincoln still holds the record for the most "imbalanced" collection of advisers ever. That weakling.