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21 Nov 2008 01:27 pm

I keep getting e-mails from people asking to respond to this Shelby Steele interview and this column from Stanley Crouch:

In an embarrassing commingling of radical politics, racism, and anti-Semitism, faux academics such as Jeffries, Molifi Asante, father of Afrocentrism, and Tony Martin of Wellesley taught unscholarly rants given to claiming the impossibility of white America ever giving black people a fair chance; that Jews controlled the African slave trade trade; and that they also conspired in modern times against the black scholars like themselves who could liberate the black mind. In short, as much bull as the campus market could bear...

It should be obvious by now that hip hop--a black popular music already degraded by violence, misogyny, and crude materialislm--was the last spittoon in which those academic hustles found sympathy. Insecure middle class black kids wallow in this version of "street knowledge" in order to give themselves a feeling of "authenticity" and, in some cases, to profit from their interpretations of this aesthetic junk for white friends who never lose a taste for any version of minstrelsy--black nationalist, revolutionary, thug life, you name it. The Birth of a Nation with a back beat.

Barack Obama, a fiercely accomplished student, Constitutional scholar, and first class writer, may well provide a symbol of the way out of this dungeon of propaganda posing as "authenticity" or "black consciousness." As they used to say, "Crack them books, boys and girls, you might learn something."

What no back-hand for Kente-Cloth, dashikis, kufis, Maulana Karenga or Ma'at? I keep telling this neighborhood kids that the Nguzo Saba will be the death of us all! Seriously is this like 1994? Am I back on campus, arguing with these Nation niggers over Kimet? I read these cats and all I hear is Gza, "Shit is played-out, just like neckloads of sterling\Suede-fronts, bell-bottoms and tricolor shearlings."

I think Stanley Crouch is the sort of writer who feels comfortable attacking the flawed identity politics of black nationalism out of one side of his mouth, while deploying those same politics out the other. It's all fine and good to tackle some shit Molefi Asante was preaching almost twenty years ago--there is some disreputable shit behind Afrocentricity. But Crouch is worst, because he hides his essentialism behind a veneer of humanism and respectability. This is the same dude who, only a couple years ago, embraced Alan Keyes's claim that Barack Obama wasn't black.  But now Obama evidently is black, but only because Crouch has found a use for him--clubbing his ancient adversaries from culture wars past.

The dishonesty inherent in that approach runs right through Steele. Conservatives who give this dude a platform to basically call the president-elect of the United States an Uncle Tom (what else is a bargainer?) are not serious. I've said my piece many times on Steele, but I guess it bears repeating. Here is a dude who repeatedly argued that white guilt was causing us to lose the Iraq War. Who subtitled his book "Why Obama Can't Win" and now plans to take that subtitle off in future editions. I am thinking out loud here: What is this if not intellectual cowardice? How are these cats not running a hustle? In what time are we living when the president is smarter, and more nuanced in his analysis, than the people charged with analyzing him?

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Comments (37)

so true. obama forces everyone to step their game up.

Shelby Steele is worse than a joke. He's an unfunny joke. The subtitle is just the latest in his lame attempts at being the black Ann Coulter.

What's the alternative? Keeping the subtitle? Not having a paperback edition?

Plus, isn't having a president smarter than his critics the desired state of affairs in the first place?

Seriously, for all the talk about how Obama was gonna make Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton irrelevant, it seems that his election is quickly proving how obsolete these black conservative commentators are. They have no connection to the black community, they're fighting battles that no one cares about any more, and they have nothing relevant to say about the state of black America (nothing that isn't stupid, like Steele's "bargainers" nonsens). In short, there is no reason for me to listen to them.

Keep the subtitle. Add a foreword explaining it, and why you got it wrong.

in what fucking reality were the black panthers an expression of minstrelsy? black power as white entertainment? how can someone write that garbage without cracking up and deleting it?

it's incredible, the kind of idiocy they've been pushing all these years. why is it only now that it's unravelling? why only now are we beginning to treat them with the outright disrespect they deserve, quit giving them the benefit of respect for such idiotic opnions?

i'm too young for this dumb shit, i know better.

The dishonesty inherent in that approach runs right through Steele. Conservatives who give this dude a platform to basically call the president-elect of the United States an Uncle Tom (what else is a bargainer?) are not serious.

I'll say it again:

Shelby Steele is a Slave Catching Coon.

That is who he is. That is who he has always been.

Look up self-hatred, and you will see a picture of Shelby Steele staring back at you.

The Obama run for the Presidency and WIN has led to a breakdown of some sort for Steele.

People think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding.

What else would make a man turn on his previous 15 years' worth of writings?

15 years of his life's work?

Barack Obama.

Steele looks at Obama - who made all the OPPOSITE LIFE CHOICES OF STEELE- and Obama became PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

This has mindfucked Shelby Steele. He simply doesn't understand. I mean, he wrapped himself in that self-hating cocoon for so long, and justified it because he convinced himself that it was right. All the self-loathing and Black hateration was ok, because he was right.

And now, here comes Obama, smashing all that to pieces.

Steele is not the only one having the breakdown, of course. All of Steele's ilk have been stunned to, and don't know what to do, though some have decided to double down and be pure slave catchers for the next 4 years.

Stanley Crouch was an Obama hater too, until he developed a crush on Michelle Obama. Crouch comes from a totally different place than Steele, though the 'haterade' is still ' haterade'. Crouch has to redefine his hustle in the Era of Obama.

Steele, on the other hand, is so busted, and obviously void of useful ideas, it's ALMOST painful to watch. I say almost, because I remember all the times he has denigrated and disrespected the Black Community, and then, watching him fall like this, puts a smile on the face.

"In what time are we living when the president is smarter, and more nuanced in his analysis, than the people charged with analyzing him?"

A beautiful time. There will always be in politics a certain class of pundit who is more at home in pointing out another person's flaws than in seeing the hard choices behind every decision. Good Politicians do what they feel is right and don't listen overmuch to the pundit class. Bad politicians let the pundits tell them what to do.

I've got a spoken word record on Black Forum with Stanley Crouch billed next to The Last Poets. Hmm.

Hasn't hip-hop normalized the idea of a Black President? I think so. These kids working their asses off for Barack's campaign grew up listening to thinkers like Ice Cube and A Tribe Called Quest, understanding moguls like Jay-Z and 50 Cent, jamming to Gwen Stefani as she taps Pharrell Williams and Akon for hits.

These old heads just don't see it the way we do, and it drives them nuts.

Rik,

A coon?

The coon comment goes too far, but the rest of rik's comment is spot-on.

I find it amazing that anybody is actually reading The Daily Beast.

"Slave-catching coon"
"Nation niggers"

I'm trying to figure out what makes the first one objectionable, and the second one alright.

Steele, Crouch and your boy McWhorter are all running the other side of the race hustle.

Crouch who denounces the minstrel aspects of hip hop while slapping anyone who dares to disagree with him

McWhorter, a trained scholar who has dedicated most of his work to attacking hip hop for largely white audiences, while declaring that hip hop doesn't matter and should be ignored.
Steele, who gained his position at Hoover not based on the scholarship of his discipline, but because he was willing write one sided polemics declaring the corruption of black culture.

These cats exist as the other side of the Jackson/Sharpton race hustle. They make their living by giving the "other side" of the black experience. While is all fine, but call it for what it is--A Hustle! It is not nuanced, it is not reflective, and doesn't present the tension that exists between the sides. It is straight up. good negro/ bad negro crap.

I have a real problem with McWhorter and Steele, who flash their degrees as evidence that they have earned their privileged positions, but when you call them on the quality of their work, they argue, "Oh well, I wasn't making a scholarly argument, I was making a popular one."

Some one please tell me what part of the game is that?

The first is vague reference to an assortment of people, that isn't a dis--see the post about nigger yesterday. Rik may not agree with me calling it out. But I don't think there's any question about whether she meant to dis Shelby Steele.

Coates,

A coon.

Sad to say, but I think that Steele would be ok with the slave-catching part, but offended by coon - because it's a BLACK reference.

Ak, ok. Yours wasn't a "dis". So "coon" would have been acceptable if Rikyrah had referred to Steele as her "ace boon coon"?

Yes. Then I'd just question her affiliations. But that's another argument.

Anyone saw Armstrong Williams? I would love to know what he and all the "black" conservatives are feeling today! All that buttkissing and groveling amount to nothing!

I haven't read much Steele, and not to defend McWhorter and Crouch when they say stupid things, but I keep coming back to the fact that if you were a young white man, like me, coming to intellectual maturity in the 90s and 00s, and you were interested in some heterodox takes on race that didn't require that you buy into most of the conservative paradigm, then Crouch and McWhorter were invaluable.

I mean, TNC, you keep talking about how these guys are beating a dead horse, but I don't think it's been dead all that long. And I think these guys deserve credit for killing it, even if they're now going overboard with the dead horse beating.

And at a more basic level, I watch those bloggingheads dialogues that McWhorter does with Glenn Loury (and, in one case, with you) and I see a dynamic, penetrating intellect, and I respect that. I feel like you wouldn't disrespect that as much as you have if he weren't playing in your wheelhouse.

Dan,

On that beating a dead horse, you gotta give me specifics. Also, I didn't mention McWhorter in this critique for a reason--I don't think he fits the argument. While you're at it show me how I've disrespected McWhorter...

I guess I've got no axe to grind here - I kinda gave up listening to a lot of "afrocentrism" a while back, and never did care a fiddle for the Stanley Crouches of the world, with their weird apologetics. If the truth be told, I only ever care about afrocentric studies as an inclusive measure - I want to see the envelope pushed and pushed and pushed until the whole history gets told - honestly - no fairy tales on either side. (And I like McWhorter, even when he's wrong.)

BUT! Seriously - it's a cowardly move to remove the subtitle, rather than write a disclaimer chapter about the changing dynamics. If there's scholarship to be had - then the scholarship ought to be able to analyze its own errors and come out better. A sincere, tongue-in-cheek strike out of the can't win, replaced by "has won" would do the trick, especially if accompanied by an afterward. Erasing the record of ones error is, by any fair academic standards, lying.

QT

Stanley Crouch hopes Obama will get black kids to stop wearing those damned X hats.

I don't know enough about the players in this post to make a coherent comment internally- but I am noticing a similarity with some of Andrew Sullivan's recent posts about the Human Rights Campaign and the bankruptcy and irrelevance of the gay political establishment. Dan Savage has been on this for far longer. To summarize: I hear him saying; gays have arrived at legitimacy, if not prosperity and equality across the board, and no longer need every argument and arguer that we can muster, we can throw out the bad ones. The parallel I see is that it is a step forward for both black people and gay people that you (we) have enough power that we (you) can afford to freely and publicly call the leaders on their bull. Which is awesome. And both groups have a national conversation going on that is secure enough to let onlookers see dissension inside. Which the women's movement has had for decades now. And which I don't see yet in the disability-rights movement. A heartening measure of progress.

I never understood why commentators like Crouch thought that somehow "gangsta rap" and to a lesser extent hip-hop and its "threat to a people" was a uniquely Black phenom. Gangster movies from the 1930's were at least as big an influence on American culture and their popularity pretty much built Warner Bros. Some of these movies were better (I Was a Fugitive from a Chain Gang) than others (much like hip-hop, so I am told by my Tribe Called Quest loving son) but as a genre they were all enormously influential, especially with every strata of young movie goers. So influential in fact that thirty years later, when Mom wasn't home I could watch drive-by shootings on a television show called "The Untouchables."

It's 1989 all over again and Stanley Crouch is shouting at Chuck D, "YOU CRAZY KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!"

That is all.

Is it OK to call a black guy a douchebag? I really don't mean anything racial by it. Honestly, when I see a white guy being as big a douchebag as Shelby Steele is, I call him a douchebag too.

It's all fine and good to tackle some shit Molefi Asante was preaching almost twenty years ago--there is some disreputable shit behind Afrocentricity.


tc

some specifics would be great here. else i might think i've stumbled onto the harvard campus and the gates home page. help an old afrikan centered brother out.
garvey

The death blow is that it's just so over..

Question point blank .. Is Steele a Chump or Harbinger ?

My question is who are the people that Steele & Crouch are talking to? Who are they trying to convince with this nonsense? You would think they would want to talk to young Black folks in HS, college & grad school but they just seem to be talking to the mirror.

Steele is a Chump.

Always has been one.

There ARE Obama critics that I take seriously.

Shelby Steele is NOT, nor ever will be, one of those.

For the sake of argument . Is Steele about sabotage , or a brand new day ? How we re-defining ourselves . I will go first . I am Willis Jackson . Nah !!!

Imagine Crouch were a scientist, and that he made a prediction regarding the development of hybrid cars from recycled cow manure (i.e. lets take race as subject out). If he were proved spectacularly wrong, then we would assume that he would no longer teach students. This is probably wrong. Crouch et. al. are just the most visible faces of a deeper problem. If you fire an African-American from the academy with whom are you going to replace him/her? In fact, the supply of African American PhD's in the sciences is dismal, nearly as dismal as the humanities. 83 African Americans earned PhD's in physics between 1999-2004, barely 15 a year. Less than one African American woman has earned a PhD in Geoscience per year over the past 30 years (only 23 PhD's granted). Geoscience PhD's discover oil, gas, mines, coal, etc. Highly paid private work is available, yet the supply is so low as to be terrifying to any proponent of diversity.

My question is who are the people that Steele & Crouch are talking to? Who are they trying to convince with this nonsense? You would think they would want to talk to young Black folks in HS, college & grad school but they just seem to be talking to the mirror.

Shelby Steele involve himself in the Black community and go out ' to the people', on the ground and get his hands dirty?


BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA

That's hilarious.

I don't know about Crouch, but good luck in finding Shelby Steele in front of a predominantly BLACK audience - EVER.

Garvey,

Asante's swap of Eurocentricity for Afrocentricity struck me as rooted in the same problem. It just trades in one prejudiced world-view for another. We all bring our prejudices to the table, even those of us who claim objectivity. But it takes it to another level to codify it.

Nate,

"Crouch et. al. are just the most visible faces of a deeper problem. If you fire an African-American from the academy with whom are you going to replace him/her? In fact, the supply of African American PhD's in the sciences is dismal, nearly as dismal as the humanities. 83 African Americans earned PhD's in physics between 1999-2004, barely 15 a year."


Stanley Crouch neither has a PhD nor is a he a member of the academy. He's a columnist for the New York Daily News. Last I checked there were plenty of black commenters. But that aside, I wouldn't call for the firing of either of these guys. Everyone has the right to be wrong. And everyone else has the right to call you out on it.

Thanks TC

I am forced to disagree with your point on eurocentricity "Asante's swap of Eurocentricity for Afrocentricity struck me as rooted in the same problem." I think even if i agreed with your statement "there is some disreputable shit behind Afrocentricity." it seems a extreme. How can the two compare?

I’m a little out of it now, but back in the day when his statement was coined the large battle we fought was a battle of minds and we did that mostly with words. Malcolm was of course our best warrior. So much so that his field Negro comments are still giving people thought and resonating around the world. And who could deny the rhetoric the Panthers used pig, avaricious businessmen, pork chop nationalist, and the one I still chuckle about, jackanapes.

I’m sure you know this but it bears repeating, the introduction of Asante's Afrocentricity gave focus to a point of reference that previously went by many names, “thinking Black”, “Black frame of reference”, “Black perspective” and many more including “Black aesthetic”. Asante’s genius was to use the big gun we had in the day, rhetoric, for what it was intended, to name a thing. And in so doing take power away from those who claimed all the earth. As soon as he did that he gave a single point of reference to all, including our adversaries. Who I might mention were never disturbed by “Black aesthetic”, “thinking Black” or anything else along those lines. Boy were they pi..ed. They still are. Why?
Unlike its associated term Eurocentricity, Afrocentricity never once dominated a country. Nor is its goal to make non Africans think of themselves as less than. It doesn’t teach I think you might agree Blacks dominance, or put forward an action plan for Blacks to play down the culture of others, that’s not its point.
Its premise is based on inward thinking and reflection of who we are and how related we are as African people, around the world and how this has been distorted to the advantage of others.
As such its great power is largely in the realm of us defining ourselves for ourselves. In doing this we take from others the power they once had to define us. Our whole struggle from negro to Black is rooted in this very principle.

Please don’t misunderstand me i don't want to seem that I am defending Afrocentrism, as a term it is what it is. It needs no defense. (Personally I never use the term, preferring the more proper variant, Africancentered.) Still I understand the power of its creation and the credit its creator deserves.

Do we make mistakes taking on this great task? Yes. Have some misunderstood, falling in love or disagreeing with Molefi’s creation, without reading or understanding his essay? Probably so, Whites and Blacks. I don’t think this is his fault, having written clarifying essays and lecturing on this topic repeatedly for more than two decades. Knowing these things I am at loss to see this as “some disreputable shit behind Afrocentricity”. On this point I take exception to your otherwise excellent journalistic expression.

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