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		<published>2008-11-18T15:32:06Z</published>
		<updated>2008-11-18T17:35:04Z</updated>
		<title>Ever the curmudgeon</title>
		<summary>Hitch on Clinton as SoS. For the record, I&apos;m not sure he&apos;s wrong. I&apos;m not opposed to Clinton as SoS. But I haven&apos;t heard anyone make the case for why she&apos;s the most qualified person for the job. Is this...</summary>
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			<name>Ta-Nehisi Coates</name>
			
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			<![CDATA[Hitch on Clinton as SoS. For the record, I'm not sure he's wrong. I'm not opposed to Clinton as SoS. But I haven't heard anyone make the case for why she's the most qualified person for the job. Is this just about healing old wounds?<br /><br /><iframe src="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27774429#27774429" scrolling="no" width="425" frameborder="0" height="339"></iframe>]]>
			
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141514</id>

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		<title>Comment from Howard on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Howard</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I don't know that she's the <i>most</i> qualified, but she is qualified. I think the "removing a potential political roadblock" thing is more important than the "healing old wounds" thing, but it's a great way to spin it. </p>

<p>B-Rich would be my choice, but I'm also loving the idea of Hillary Clinton's job description including "publicly supporting every foreign policy decision made by Barack Obama."</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T15:44:30Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141517</id>

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		<title>Comment from Bruce on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Bruce</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Could someone explain to me why B-Rich is a qualified candidate? What does he bring to the table? He is basically unknown to the rest of the world, except for maybe Mexico...why is he being discussed for SoS?</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T15:48:39Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141522</id>

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		<title>Comment from Howard on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Howard</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>B-Rich used to be UN Ambassador, and has also participated in negotiations with several hostile nations. He was off the radar for awhile when he was New Mexico governor, but he has quite a bit of foreign policy experience.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T15:59:30Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141523</id>

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		<title>Comment from Bruce on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Bruce</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Well all-righty then....he's ok in my book. Still, as a brand outside of the US, HillBilly trumps him. Question remains wether she'll comply with Bama's foreign policy or if she will go "rogue"!</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:06:00Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141525</id>

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		<title>Comment from brucds on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>brucds</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Wow - Hitchens opinions on the Clintons have been as useful and balanced as his insights into the pros of invading Iraq.  Avoiding a debate between Hitchens and Beinart would top my list of reasons to go get that root canal done.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:09:02Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141540</id>

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		<title>Comment from Alex Rose on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Alex Rose</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Not having Hillary in the Senate with her independent power base will be worth it's weight in gold.</p>

<p>Plus, New York has a Democrat for Governor, so there's no loss there.</p>

<p>Chris Hitchens is just being his usual self...</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:18:53Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141545</id>

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		<title>Comment from DougEMI on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>DougEMI</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Beinart thinks she is qualified because her husband's foreign policy staff was good(but only in the final four years) in his books.  That seems like a lame qualifier to me. </p>

<p>I also don't know why Matthews thinks that Kyl could never support her.  She voted for the war, she is a hawk. </p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:30:52Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141549</id>

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		<title>Comment from Buster on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Buster</name>
				<uri>http://moscowthroughbrowneyes.blogspot.com</uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Much as I hate to agree with that prick Hitchens, I concur that HRC (and company) carries too much baggage for this position.  It's not the bad blood between Obama and the Clintons I worry about, but the perception that much of the world already has of Hillary.  Makes it hard to give the impression of possibilities and a new diplomacy.  Bill Richardson or even John Kerry would fill that role more easily, I think.  And it will be the most important role for the new SecState.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:37:14Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141550</id>

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		<title>Comment from Liza on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Liza</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with Hillary Clinton being given a power position within the Obama administration.  Despite her "gutter campaign" against Obama, she has an immense amount of voter support and she came through for Obama in the general election.  Also, once installed in office, Hillary is focused and she works hard.  </p>

<p>However, Hillary belongs in healthcare, not foreign policy.  Secretary of State is obviously the plum, but foreign policy is not her forte.  Despite Hillary's legendary failure with national healthcare in 93-94, she has seemingly revisited the issue in great depth, far more so than most other legislators.  With Ted Kennedy's failing health situation, Hillary is the logical choice to spearhead national healthcare along with a few of the Democratic healthcare advocates in Congress.</p>

<p>I would have to be convinced that Hillary is qualified for Secretary of State.  Her vote to invade Iraq and her "oliterate Iran" statement stand out where there isn't much of anything else to judge her by.  She hasn't been a senator for that long and her entire first term was in the minority party.  What exactly did she do that qualifies her for foreign policy?  </p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:40:54Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141551</id>

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		<title>Comment from Persia on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Persia</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Buster, most of the world has a pretty good perception of Hillary. Certainly after eight years of Bush, a Clinton would be welcome on the world stage. My concern is more that it doesn't particularly suit her (IMO), I don't agree with her foreign policy positions for the most part, and the effect that the Big Dog's post-Presidency career might have on her legitimacy.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:41:48Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141552</id>

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		<title>Comment from Doctor Jay on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Doctor Jay</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I think I most agree with Matthews when he says, "Why is Obama letting this be the lead story, what everyone's buzzing about?"</p>

<p>Ummm, to distract people from Larry Summers?  Who is very smart, very capable, and very energetic, and has a talent for offending people, particularly his women faculty members?</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:42:45Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141558</id>

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		<title>Comment from pragmatic idealist on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>pragmatic idealist</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I can't argue "best" without knowledge of all other possibilities and a very long exposition.</p>

<p>I will argue that she is very qualified because she knows so many politically powerful people around the world and knows how to schmooze. She has a dozen years of representing American interests to the world. Our allies (other than Japan) long to return to the Clinton years, so I don't see what "baggage" would cause a problem.</p>

<p>My sole concern is her lack of management skill, but with the right deputies this can be worked around.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T16:46:51Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141564</id>

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		<title>Comment from James F. Elliott on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>James F. Elliott</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons Richardson was off the radar while serving as governor of New Mexico is that he's an essentially crappy executive.  He's a political yes-man who parlayed fantabulous butt-licking skills into a killer resume.  But seriously, keep his ass away from decision-making.</p>

<p>HRC is essentially a policy wonk who's come to occupy high political office.  She's deeply respected among the Defense and Intelligence folks, so she might be a decent SecState.  But I dunno.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:06:23Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from muzzyology  on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>muzzyology </name>
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				<![CDATA[<p><br />
...Buster, most of the world has a pretty good perception of Hillary...</p>

<p>umm, i'd have to disagree on that one. a lot of us were kind of hoping for a clear signal towards peace & cooperation, not the same old belligerent thuggish bullshit.</p>

<p>Pro Iraq war: check<br />
Pro threatening nuclear obliteration of Iran: check</p>

<p>NBC interview</p>

<p>QUESTION: …Does massive retaliation mean you would go into Iran, you would bomb Iran? Is that what that’s supposed to suggest?</p>

<p>CLINTON: Well, the question was, if Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel, what would our response be. And I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that, because it does mean that they have to look very carefully at their society, because at whatever stage of development they might be in their nuclear weapons program, in the next 10 years during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel we would be able to totally obliterate them. That’s a terrible thing to say, but those people who run Iran need to understand that, because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:20:43Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141579</id>

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		<title>Comment from Sarah on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>Sarah</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Ignore what Hitchens has to say here. He hates the Clintons, especially her,more than he hates religious people.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:23:24Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141580</id>

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		<title>Comment from JK on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>JK</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>It would be a profound tragedy if Hillary Clinton becomes Secy of State. She's simply not qualified for the job and her ego is too big for her to be trusted. </p>

<p>Bill Richardson is head and shoulders more qualified to be Secy of State.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:24:22Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141584</id>

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		<title>Comment from jbentley on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>jbentley</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>You cannot overstate the importance of personal relationships in conducting diplomacy and few candidates can offer the connections and personal relationships that CLinton developed during her husband's administration.  </p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:28:06Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141587</id>

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		<title>Comment from mars on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>mars</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Well...can anyone remember a SecState actually accomplishing anything in the last 30 years (other than putting together the 1st Iraq War coalition)?  It seems that, for whatever reason, the position has devolved during the last few decades from being of much import to merely that of the President's messenger boy.  Probably far more important in a SoS than any actual diplomacy is the management or at least oversight of the dept.</p>

<p>Meantime, we hear all the time about how qualified B-Rich is, but during the debates he seemed to me to be a borderline buffoon.  Did I miss something?</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:33:07Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141588</id>

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		<title>Comment from Keith on 2008-11-18</title>
		<author>
				<name>Keith</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Too many emcees, not enough mics.</p>

<p>I doubt it will heal any divisions, but perhaps it will exacerbate some. I see a recipe for disaster. He wouldn't be able to fire her. They've perennially bickered over foreign policy. I see a very schizophrenic Obama administration ahead if she's appointed. Not worth throwing a bone to the feminists.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:37:06Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141591</id>

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		<title>Comment from Buster on 2008-11-18</title>
		<author>
				<name>Buster</name>
				<uri>http://moscowthroughbrowneyes.blogspot.com</uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Persia,  I think that in the places where diplomacy will most be needed (e.g., Russia, the Middle East, Latin America) there is not a positive impression of the Clintons.</p>

<p>But more importantly, why "crumudgeon" in the title?  Is this an allusion I'm not getting or just a typo?  </p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:40:04Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141595</id>

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		<title>Comment from mister nomer on 2008-11-18</title>
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				<name>mister nomer</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I understand the need to get her out of the Senate but I do have problems with her lack of qualifications.  Greg Craig laid this all out for the Obama campaign during the primaries: </p>

<p><a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_advisor_greg_craig.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_advisor_greg_craig.html</a></p>

<p>- Peace in Northern Ireland?<br />
- Opening the border in Macedonia?<br />
- Sniper fire at Kosovo airport?<br />
- Pushing for human rights in China?</p>

<p>And then there's the possible conflicts of interest with the CGI.</p>

<p>That having been said I got to believe that Obama knows what he's doing here and I trust him on this. </p>

<p>I mean, maybe he's just giving the Clintons enough rope to hang themselves.  Look at what have they done in the past when they have power and opportunity:  Get impeached and lose the '08 Dem nomination.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T17:45:54Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141637</id>

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		<title>Comment from Kat on 2008-11-18</title>
		<author>
				<name>Kat</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>He won't be able to fire her? Of course he will. That's the benefit of having her at this job and not VP. </p>

<p>As someone who really, really doesn't like the Clintons, I'm surprisingly unruffled at the idea of her as SOS. I guess after watching Obama for the last two years, if he thinks Hillary should be SOS, I'll go along for that ride. She not an untalented person, and its quite an effective way of keeping the Clintons in line.</p>

<p>Diabolical, actually. I mean if you look at the list of things that Bill will have to stop doing (speeches for pay, etc), he has to be quite the shade of plum at this point. </p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T19:04:46Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141670</id>

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		<title>Comment from Lon on 2008-11-18</title>
		<author>
				<name>Lon</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I don't like the idea of Clinton as SoS because she is too accepting of Hitchens nonsense about foreign policy.  I am unbothered about her as SoS because of the kind of Clinton hatred for which Hitchens opposes her.</p>

<p>Her approach to foreign policy has always seemed to be to try to sound tougher than Republicans in the hope that Democrats can win office on domestic issues.  And that is not what Obama needs in foreign policy.</p>

<p>On the otherhand, the idea that Obama is intent on turning the page on all things Clinton is some odd wishful thinking on the part of Clinton haters like Hitchens and Sullivan (even thought they have opposite views on what this nomination would do).</p>

<p>Obama has always been clear there are aspects of the Clinton years he likes and others that he doesn't.  And his hires show that the ability to get stuff done is a high priority, and an aspect of change.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T19:45:41Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141744</id>

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		<title>Comment from anna perez on 2008-11-18</title>
		<author>
				<name>anna perez</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Like several other commenters, I trust Obama and if HRC is what he wants that settles it for me.  I do question, however, her management skills--health care reform seemed a failure of management more than anything else; at its inception, her campaign consisted of "I'm Hillary Clinton, you may now proceed to vote for me;"  and Bill, well he's probably unmanageable...</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-18T22:39:59Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141799</id>

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		<title>Comment from Jonathan  on 2008-11-18</title>
		<author>
				<name>Jonathan </name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Here is my case for HRC:</p>

<p>She's a superstar. She is loved around the world in a way that only two other politicians that I know of are- Her Hubby and BHO  himself. And since those two dudes are busy (one giving speeches in Abu Dahbi and the other doing something in a big house) I'm gonna say she's the right woman for the job. </p>

<p>Forget all of this "keep your enemy's close" crap. The Clinton's are no threat to Obama. For either of them to try and undermine him during his term as Pres would be political suicide. And how does that help her in 2016. If she wants to run then, she better hope to have a popular dem in the white house. She doesn't need her own version of Bush.</p>

<p>She is a brilliant woman, who will attack this job with excitement, and will be greeted as a hero around the world. What more could you ask for from a SoS?</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-19T00:58:50Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:141840</id>

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		<title>Comment from Rishi Gajria on 2008-11-19</title>
		<author>
				<name>Rishi Gajria</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Christopher Hitchens always looks massively hung-over. I am going to ignore what he said because he hates the Clintons. </p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-19T05:25:34Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2008://31.57979-comment:142020</id>

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		<title>Comment from Mason on 2008-11-19</title>
		<author>
				<name>Mason</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>As someone who loved the Bill Richardson of the impressive resume, until I discovered what people who actually knew thought about him, I have to agree that he's a bad choice for SecState.</p>

<p>Personally I have a mad man-crush on the gaunt and ponderous John Kerry, who is extremely intelligent and second only to Joe Biden in foreign policy understanding on the Dem side.  He would be my number 1 -- like Colin Powell, except that his Commander in Chief will actually respect his advice.</p>]]>
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		<published>2008-11-19T21:39:32Z</published>
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