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		<published>2009-07-14T14:00:00Z</published>
		<updated>2009-07-14T12:37:36Z</updated>
		<title>Obama And The Narrative Of &quot;Hard Truths&quot;</title>
		<summary>I keep noticing that whenever Obama delivers these &quot;tough talks&quot; or messages of &quot;tough love&quot; the recipients, most of them to people of color, are generally cheering. I watched Obama&apos;s Ghana speech, and by the lights of my limited knowledge...</summary>
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			<![CDATA[I keep noticing that whenever Obama delivers these "tough talks" or messages of <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8146508.stm">"tough love"</a> the recipients, most of them to people of color, are generally cheering. I watched Obama's Ghana speech, and by the lights of my limited knowledge of African affairs, it seemed pretty basic, and I suspect a large number of Africans agreed with him. I'd also suspect that a large number didn't. My point isn't that Obama "represents" opinion in Africa, as much as it's that he represents one side of it. To go to Ghana and demand working, credible democracies just doesn't strike me as much of a stretch. But from the headlines, you'd think Obama had given his speech in Zimbabwe.<br /><br />I don't think this is about race, per se, as much as it's about how we in the press see conflict--it's generally easier to report out a two-sided conflict than a multi-facted one. It's also about a kind of journalistic laziness that sees the world like this: Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are black leaders. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson believe that racism is responsible for everything wrong with black America. If Obama says, "Be a father to your child," he's challenging black people. Likewise for Africa the calculus is something like: Africans think all their problems were caused by colonialism. If Obama says it's corruption, then he must be challenging Africans.<br /><br />It's an algebra that relies on figureheads and "spokespeople" to articulate the thoughts and feelings of millions. As long as I can remember this talk about a&nbsp; "crisis of fatherhood," I can remember their being an intrinsic, native "black fatherhood" movement. And this was in Baltimore in the 80s--ground zero. When Obama was in college, it was rappers who were telling brothers "be a father to your child." (along with a lot of other things.) I suspect that it's the same in Africa, that Obama is representing a side of the debate--<i>a native side</i>--which, while understanding the evils of colonialism, also understands that corruption and big man-ism are enemies of progress. I saw a lot of stories on Nigerians being pissed off that Obama wasn't coming to their country. Of course Wole Soyinka has, in strenuous tones, asserted that Obama must not come to Nigeria. <br /><br />There are two problems here: One, I think the tone of the stories reflect a desire for white people to be off the hook. I don't know that for fact, but I believe it. Two, I think the tone of these stories carry a strong notion of Obama civilizing, or righting, his dark kin. I think this dynamic is backwards. It's the very presence of the native fatherhood movement that enables Obama to say "be a father." It's the fact that Africans, themselves, have been fighting corruption that allows Obama to make that speech. As in so many things, Obama isn't the wave, he's the dude surfing on top.<br />]]>
			
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		<title>Comment from exitr on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I wonder if much of the blame-it-on-colonialism rhetoric of African leaders like Mugabe isn't directed as much at the West as at his own people. Obviously it can be effective on the domestic front as well, and there is a real legacy there of resentment toward the former colonizers that less than 30 years ago still controlled Zimbabwe. And to an extent I'd bet that Mugabe, a hero of the independence struggle, was molded enough by that experience to believe his own rhetoric to some extent. But it also seems like a tactic to mute criticism and, more importantly, punitive action, from other nations.  </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:20:59Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from ellaesther on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I think you're probably right that Obama is "the dude riding the top" -- but it bears mentioning that this is what happens, I think, generally in history. Someone comes along and creates some enormous change, and people forget to look five minutes behind that someone, and thus don't notice that the Big Change had been happening for years. I remember the "ah-ha!" sense I had when I learned that, of course, Rosa Parks had not, simply, decided not to get up out of her seat on that bus, but had rather been an active, leading member of the civil rights movement, and was trained and steeped in methods of nonviolent resistance. It doesn't <i>sound</i> as dramatic, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense, and also gives all the credit where it's due -- to everyone, not just the one figure who broke through. I discovered this about Iran in the past month as well: sure, the demonstrations were spontaneous and genuine, but their bedrock was years of quiet civil organizing, not least around the issue of women's rights (particularly the Million Signature Campaign) -- which is why we saw so many, many women out in the streets. And why I believe that, ultimately, Iran will see some real change, even if it takes more time that we would want.</p>

<p>I think that Obama, himself, generally tries to give credit to those who created the circumstances that allow him to be where he is and do what he's doing (whether it's be President, or call for democracy in Africa), but that gets lost in the coverage. Sometimes this is because of laziness (on the part of the media and media consumers), sometimes racism (or some other -ism), sometimes a surfeit of news shoves out nuance, sometimes it's because he's such a star that his shine kind of blinds us to other stuff, and sometimes, it's reflective of the way that we, generally, talk about history.</p>

<p>I'll tell you what: I was just glad he went to Ghana. I know that I am not the only one who discovered how deep was her lack of knowledge about that country, and ran out to educate herself a smidge bit. All in all, I honestly believe it was a good, good thing.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:23:33Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Ta-Nehisi Coates on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>It was a good thing. I hope it didn't come off any other way.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:28:19Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from ellaesther on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I just worry that we sometimes forget to see the good as we very justifiably decry the bad. It can hide from us what we have to hand, and, aside from anything else, exhaust us. I've just been thinking about it a lot lately, so I wanted to tack it on there, at the end.</p>

<p>Also, I hope you're feeling better!</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:36:30Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Somali Canuck on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>As an African myself i agree with a lot of points that Obama made. i would say that 75% of africans agree with his points, African rulers have been worse for africa than a the colonial powers. I don't want to go back to colonial time at all, but what we have now is worse. Hopefully the western educated, enlightened youth will change all of that. Mugabe is the worse ruler of a country in Africa, but there are a lot of bad ones too like: wade (Senegal), Gbagbo (Ivory Coast), Yar'Adua (Nigeria) and many more.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:38:45Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from editi on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>So aptly put.  Everybody goes to Ghana, everybody finds it peaceful, and everybody agrees it is a shining model of African democracy.  Obama's speech didn't really complexify the debate and we still have to wait and see what policies come of it.  At best, I think his visit will be a boon for Ghanaian tourism.  At worst, it was a simple PR move for the President.  Find a stable African country in which most people agree on several democratic principles, then make a speech extolling those principles to raucous applause.</p>

<p>Lately I've begun thinking that Sharpton and Jackson need to retire from punditry as we raise a new crop of young people to counter the Obama homogenization effect.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:42:40Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Ta-Nehisi Coates on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>No you're right. It's worth saying that it was a good thing. I kinda took that for granted.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:43:00Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Carrington on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>Carrington</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Obama himself is not "the wave"  -- his father was.  I guess one interesting point, though, is that Obama has particular and unique 'credentials' in speaking with Africans about issues of governance. </p>

<p>His own father was torn between love and family in the U.S. and love, family, and duty in Africa.  Obama's father was absent in part because of his commitment to and commitments in Africa.   Involuntarily, Obama Jr. made a huge sacrifice for his father's commitments. (And Obama's 'dreams of his father' were tied up with visions of that man's idealism and his struggle). <br />
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		<published>2009-07-14T14:54:19Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Carrington on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I think this is much too diplomatically put, and probably wrong. </p>

<p>Mugabe still gets his face on far-lefty banners in Harlem's African-American day parade ("end apartheid and colonialism, support Mugabe").  I think it is fairly safe to say he is an embarrassment to Africans not on his payroll. <br />
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		<published>2009-07-14T15:07:17Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Carrington on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I'd venture that one of the most controversial elements of the imperial legacy are the lines on the maps.</p>

<p>The Europeans (and the first world) pillaged the continent for half-a-century, to be sure.  But the big problem now is an impasse between organic and artificial structures of governance within Africa, where the ruler-line borders are the most visible manifestation of artificial governance. </p>

<p>Needless to say, this ongoing impasse provides opportunity for the developed and developing world to continue extracting resources and dumping trash. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T15:17:55Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Somali Canuck on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>agreed, but maps in Europe are not better, look at the ex-Yugoslavia or France with it's differents ethnies (Corsican, Brittains)! We can't play the victims because of colonization. We have to assume our responsibility in our history. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T15:20:55Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from stellar on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I agree what Obama was saying was more acknowledgment than lecture and that Africans have been arguing about and struggling with this stuff for decades now. Definitely surfing a well established wave. </p>

<p>However, I couldn't help but feel the speech did strike a particularly hollow and hypocritical note when he brought up the bit about how government shouldn't be a vehicle for leaders to enrich themselves. Yes, this is a reality in Africa - but in these post financial crisis/bailout times perhaps American leadership/elites should be a little more humble (forward to next post) when addressing their perception of the financial corruption of others. </p>

<p>I suppose this isn't a indictment of Obama per se, though Goldman Sachs was his largest campaign contributor. </p>

<p>He does at least walk this line somewhat more honestly than his predecessors - acknowledging the home sin, while at the same time pressing others on theirs, as in his Cairo speech. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T15:42:28Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from TG on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<![CDATA[<p>TNC: I agree with you that Sharpton and Jackson are not "leaders" and I pity the person who looks up to them as positive role models --but, alas, they are the most vocal and media opportunistic, hence the perception that they are "black leaders."</p>

<p>Striking and very sad to me what that Sharpton's idiotic, self-pitying rant at the MJ funeral is what received the loudest applause. Does anyone else here see anything troubling about the adoring response to Sharpton?</p>

<p>Obama is a Leader. Sharpton and Jackson are not. And Sharpton is nothing less than a demagogue.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T15:43:18Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Sebastian on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>Sebastian</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>The use of half-believed cliches as weapons to fend off criticism is something that can be said for rulers in other countries. A lot of the corruption among our own politicians appears to come with the additional baggage of excuses they believe themselves. My estimate is that Senators Nelson and Lincoln really do believe that they need to protect the "honest businessmen" of the insurance industry from competition, above and beyond all the money that gets pumped into their campaign coffers. And that the Republican thugs sabotaging the legislative process in Washington are just as convinced they are battling evil as a bunch of college students burning out a biology lab and "liberating" the lab animals.</p>

<p>I recall some comments on another forum being dismissed by someone using the rhetorical club of "colonialism."  The country in question had been given its freedom back in 1959, fifty years ago.</p>

<p><br />
In 1783 the Treaty of Paris brought independence to the English colonies strewn along the Atlantic coast of North America, leaving them bankrupt, without an effective government, poisoned by a wide-spread slave economy and ruling elites not too keen on the concept of mass democracy. </p>

<p><br />
Fifty years later, we have the presidential campaign between Andrew Jackson and Henry Clay in 1832. Were either of them still blaming British colonialism for our troubles? Could any candidate have done so without being shamed into silence for refusing to take responsibility for dealing with our nation's problems ourselves?</p>

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		<published>2009-07-14T15:55:05Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Erik Vanderhoff on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Erik Vanderhoff</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p><i>...I think the tone of the stories reflect a desire for white people to be off the hook. I don't know that for fact, but I believe it.</i></p>

<p>This, in my estimation as the privileged white male scion of privileged white males, is exactly right.  Most discussions I have with white peers eventually devolve to "But things are so much better now than they were" or "We're past all that as a country."  It's not true, but boy do a lot of people desperately want it to be.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T16:19:56Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225176</id>

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		<title>Comment from Sorn on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Sorn</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<blockquote> It's an algebra that relies on figureheads and "spokespeople" to articulate the thoughts and feelings of millions. As long as I can remember this talk about a  "crisis of fatherhood," I can remember their being an intrinsic, native "black fatherhood" movement. And this was in Baltimore in the 80s--ground zero. When Obama was in college, it was rappers who were telling brothers "be a father to your child." (along with a lot of other things.) I suspect that it's the same in Africa, that Obama is representing a side of the debate--a native side--which, while understanding the evils of colonialism, also understands that corruption and big man-ism are enemies of progress. I saw a lot of stories on Nigerians being pissed off that Obama wasn't coming to their country. Of course Wole Soyinka has, in strenuous tones, asserted that Obama must not come to Nigeria. </blockquote>

<p>Mr. C. I think what you're describing is a back handed form of paternalism. I don't know how best to describe it, but if it's possible to deny someone's humanity by painting them as inferior I think that it's also possible to deny someone's complete humanity by painting them as utopian "noble savages."</p>

<p>Both sets of stereotypes deny that other people are capable of the same deeply complex feelings and motivations that we are. In part I think that these tendencies exist because it's easier for thought patterns to flow down previously carved channels than it is to break new ground. I also think that it's easier for many people to think in terms of an ideal type of person that doesn't exist than it is to think in terms of individuals. </p>

<p>It should be blingingly obvious that there is usually a nativist side that looks in the mirror and sees the same faults that others see, but recognizing this, I think, means that we have to stop seeing communities as monolithic and start seeing them as collections of individuals with similar internal motivations to ourselves. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T16:34:22Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225180</id>

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		<title>Comment from cocolamala on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>cocolamala</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>"Were either of them still blaming British colonialism"</p>

<p>did the US have to contend with lingering corporations (like Goodyear rubber, DeBeers diamonds, etc.) that excercised unethical contracts, like 100 year land leases bought for $1, and gave corporations and political regimes economic incentive to further exploit the population and continue to export wealth generated by the nation's natural resources to post-colonial industrial powers, many of them based in the U.S.)</p>

<p>did the post-colonial US enter the world market well after the major power players in capitalism had been decided? Did the US need to negotiate with the IMF to repay its debts, which tended to expose it to disastrous structural adjustment programs?</p>

<p>i just think there were different historical/economic/cultural forces at play when the US overthrew colonialism than when African nations did so at a much later date.</p>

<p>the fact that African nations needed about 100 extra years to get to the point where they could throw off colonialism says something about the specific ways colonialism played out in africa.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T16:37:50Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225197</id>

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		<title>Comment from Juba on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Juba</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Im not gonna lie, Ive been sweating Ghana for a long, long time...from Kwame NKrumah being a product of our HBCUs, to Wright's treatment of the emergent nation in Black Power, to the burial of Dubois in Ghana, to the celebration of Ghanaian (Akan) spiritual concepts in the Afrocentrism movement of the 80s and 90s; its the very first West African country I hope to visit some day.</p>

<p>Having said that, seeing an African-American POTUS in Ghana got me way more emotional than even the Inauguration did. Call me a sucker for symbolism.</p>

<p>BTW Im not surprised Nigeria felt a way about Obama visiting Ghana first, since they view themselves as the powerhouse of West Africa, but the fact is that Ghana is not only a much more stable democracy, but its a better example if Obama is addressing corruption and factionalism than, all due respect, Nigeria would be.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T16:47:27Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225219</id>

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		<title>Comment from brucds on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>brucds</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>The "hard truth" is that journalists are too often lazy thinkers and ill-informed "reporters."  I'd take their shit more seriously when it's framed this way if the White House press corps did a story about Obama telling them the "hard truth" that they're on a 24-hour news cycle and look at the flow of information through a warped lens - or the "hard truth" that too often their questions are stupid and Obama is correct to respond to them dismissively because he has bigger fish to fry.  Unfortunately the Beltway media "natives" aren't as reflective about their own environment as most "normal" people are, whether they live here or in Africa.  </p>

<p>A lot of white conservatives treated the Great Cosby Scare the same way - as though black folks were suddenly hearing something that wasn't already deeply embedded in the black communities' and black families' conversations.  Most white journalists covering this story thought they were Christopher Columbus and most conservatives who tried to exploit Cosby's comments were playing out the old game of imagining they had themselves a brand new sock puppet, not for "hard truths" but lazy stereotypes that they were gleefully immersed in. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T17:04:31Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225227</id>

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		<title>Comment from Lisa J on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Lisa J</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Can you specify what exactly was "idiotic" and "self-pitying" in Sharpton's comments and Mr. Jackson's funeral.  Mr. Sharpton was discussing Jackson and his life and the difficulties he encountered, not his own, so I fail to see that as self-pitying.  Also, why is addressing the racist attacks Jackson often underwent over the years from his face (which I may point out that white actors, actresses,and entertainers have had plastic surgery on, without such levels of derision), his appearance hair, etc (though with the exeption of Jon Stewart I never see naturally pale whites with no medical need to become darker or disorder that causes them to darken being made fun of for contantly having tan to orange colored skin despite having jobs that largely keep them inside and in colder climes, i.e John Boehner, Sarah Palin).  Mr. Sharpton may not be the most sterling of individuals but he most certainly cares about the African American community and he has no problem with dealing with the derision that he faces for pointing out racism when others wish to ignore it and push it under th etable.  I personally pity you for your mean-spirited and closed minded attitude to Jesse Jackson and Mr. Sharpton. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T17:08:43Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225287</id>

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		<title>Comment from Pontchartrain Girl on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>Pontchartrain Girl</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that this is glib: "Were either of them still blaming British colonialism?" </p>

<p>But it's because the comparison is totally false. The British colonies in North America and those (of any European power) in Africa have nothing in common save the name "colony." But it meant very different things in these two places. A better (theoretical) comparison would be to suppose what would have happened had the British sent only a few settlers to North America and, instead of either killing or pushing them deeper into the hinterlands, forced them into labor. Then after many decades or maybe a century, they suddenly cut the colonies free. Said to the Native Americans who remained: "Ok, you're independent states now. Go at it!" Nevermind that many of their own governing structures and societal bonds had been obliterated. </p>

<p>And, again, saying that Africans needed an extra 100 years to throw off their colonizers is another bad comparison, a little patronizing, and also misleading. Most of that continent was colonized in the 19th century and gained independence in the late 1950s/early 60s. By contrast, Jamestown was first settled in 1607; the Americans didn't win their independence until 1781--a long time. But it's apples to oranges. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T17:36:59Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225403</id>

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		<title>Comment from CitizenE on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>CitizenE</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Riding the wave--intuition or serendipity.  Obama's response to the trumpet heraldry he recieved before speaking was to mention Louis Armstrong.  </p>

<p>It's widely acknowledged that modern popular African dance music beginning in the 30s and 40s emerged from Ghana--what is now called "Highlife."  As with the rest of Africa, Cuban music and American dance jazz combined with traditional and village music, utilizing western instruments, including the trumpet that came to Africa, mostly via military and police bands, were all propellents of this new wholly modern (much in the way jazz in New Orleans was new and modern) sound.  </p>

<p>In Ghana, E.T. Mensah, trumpet player and bandleader, is generally considered the greatest of the early generation of Ghanian High Life stars; his first hand encounters with Armstrong were legendary, and he oplenly discussed  Armstrong's influence (which was almost universal in sub-Saharan Africa).</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T19:19:19Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225454</id>

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		<title>Comment from Jennifer D. on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>Jennifer D.</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>As always, thanks for this post. I was thinking that something was bothering me about the Obama/Ghana coverage, but I wasn't sure what it was. This really helped clarify it for me.</p>

<p><em>One, I think the tone of the stories reflect a desire for white people to be off the hook. I don't know that for fact, but I believe it. </em> </p>

<p>This is true in my experience. Some whites of my acquaintance think we've done our part (some even think that they now have it harder than people of color) and now it's time for blacks to figure out their remaining problems for themselves, whether in Africa or here in the U.S.  </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T20:09:26Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225466</id>

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		<title>Comment from cocolamala on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>cocolamala</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>@ Pontchartrain Girl</p>

<p>I hear what you're saying about the "extra 100 years." </p>

<p>i think that the presence of eurpoeans in africa materially affected the political and economic climate before the 18th century. even though the formal colonial process hadn't been completed, the exploration and exploitation of land and people was definitely underway in the 1600s </p>

<p>I wasn't trying to say that African nations were slow in getting out from under colonialism, just that the forces in place when the Americas were throwing off colonialism were totally different from what African colonies were facing and the timeline difference is just another example of that.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T20:23:28Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from brucds on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>brucds</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>"the trumpet that came to Africa, mostly via military and police bands"</p>

<p> A footnote to that - some scholars argue that the coincidence of jazz evolving in New Orleans at the particular time it did has to do with the influx of cheap brass instruments dumped by military bands returning from the Spanish-American war through that port city...</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T20:40:25Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225508</id>

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		<title>Comment from DaBomb on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>DaBomb</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>It ties back to the whole concept, that since we have a black president, we are now members of a post-racial America. It's a delusional theory even at its root. It seems at times that the chickens have come to roost. There seem to be more racists coming out of woodwork than before. The pool craziness and the freepers talking about Malia are just examples of how we haven't gotten past race. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T21:02:50Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225531</id>

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		<title>Comment from Pontchartrain Girl on 2009-07-14</title>
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				<name>Pontchartrain Girl</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>@cocolamala</p>

<p>Sorry if I got too high on my soapbox. So we agree--it's a terrible comparison any way you look at it. And you're also right that exploitation started, if less officially, earlier than the 19th century. <br />
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		<published>2009-07-14T21:17:09Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from rikyrah on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>rikyrah</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>If Obama had gone to Nigeria and made that speech, I would have been LOL. Nigeria just shouldn't have opened their mouths. Folks need to do serious research about Nigeria - the natural resources they have...there is no excuse for it being in the shape that it's in - plain and simple. </p>

<p>White folks want to be off the hook. That's not what Obama was saying. There are enough resources in Africa for Africans to be taking care of business. They are in a far greater negotiating position than maybe they believe themselves to be. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T21:55:23Z</published>
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		<title>Comment from Juba on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Juba</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Agree completely about Nigeria. The country doth protest too much, methinks.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T22:44:58Z</published>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Comment from Simple on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Simple</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>The African kleptocrats are playing by rules established in Washington, London, Paris, and Beijing. Corruption in Africa appears more blatant because total economic activity is too stunted to provide camouflage for the local compradors.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-14T23:11:17Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225679</id>

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		<title>Comment from Juba on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>Juba</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>...and the activity is too stunted due in part to corruption.</p>

<p>Seems like they'd be tired of running their countries into the ground but...</p>

<p>...human greed knows few bounds.</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T01:28:27Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225720</id>

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		<title>Comment from JPool on 2009-07-14</title>
		<author>
				<name>JPool</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Fred Cooper has talked about the "gate-keeper state" in Africa, because the power of the state in most African nations derives from it's ability to act as intermediary between local resources/elites and foreign trade/aid.  Both corrupt African governments and mercenary international capital formations are dancing this dance, and it takes determined effort to get either side to change the steps.  Corruption doesn't even capture the worst of it.  The West didn't cause the Congolese civil war, but Western corporations, and particularly the French, were all too willing to finance it.</p>

<p>I've lived in Ghana, and the peace and much lower level of corruption there (it exists, but unlike Nigeria it's entirely possible to get around it) are part of what make it such a wonderful place to visit (Juba, you should definitely go).  A further irony in the coverage of Obama's speech is that he was clear that he chose to go to Ghana not just because Bush and Clinton said they loved their visits, but to reward a working model of democratic transitions and better governance -- something Ghanaians have been working to build in fits and starts since independence, but solidly at least since Rawlings took power.  What Presidents Kufuor and now Atta-Mills have managed to do is to attract foreign investment in ways that at least sometimes help to develop the internal economy, rather than just more efficiently extracting resources, and foreign aid, with at least some of it going to develop infrastructure rather than vanity projects or "getting spoilt."  </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T03:14:17Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225757</id>

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		<title>Comment from rikyrah on 2009-07-15</title>
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				<name>rikyrah</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>There's a Black Conservative blog - Booker Rising. The owner of the site has routinely highlighted a woman named Moyo - author of Dead Aid. I happen to agree with her. Africa needs infrastructure and entrepreneurs. I am against the foreign aid system as it exists. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T04:20:34Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225991</id>

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		<title>Comment from Carrington on 2009-07-15</title>
		<author>
				<name>Carrington</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Absolutely... part of that responsibility might involve acceptance of territorial change, ideally with only token violence.  </p>

<p>The dirty secret behind European political stability is a half-millenium or more of ethnic cleansing.  </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T16:19:56Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:225993</id>

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		<title>Comment from Carrington on 2009-07-15</title>
		<author>
				<name>Carrington</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Touche.  </p>

<p>As Obama has said, money plays the role of original sin in politics. </p>

<p>I pray we can get through enough of our current mess to rebuild traditions of political penance. <br />
</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T16:23:03Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:226005</id>

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		<title>Comment from Carrington on 2009-07-15</title>
		<author>
				<name>Carrington</name>
				<uri></uri>
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				<![CDATA[<p>There's a fair argument that Harold Washington's 'post-racialism' in Chicago helped Obama win some of Chicago's hard-line outer districts. </p>

<p>As annoying as the rhetoric may be, I tend to think that whites in a 'post-racial' society tend to be less intransigent... and more likely to turn on the bull Connors, et. al. </p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T16:30:43Z</published>
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		<id>tag:ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com,2009://8.21233-comment:226161</id>

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		<title>Comment from Juba on 2009-07-15</title>
		<author>
				<name>Juba</name>
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				<![CDATA[<p>Thanks JPool. (I once took a class with Fred Cooper at NYU, thanks for pointing me in this direction!) Thanks also for the encouragement re: Ghana. I definitely have it high on my bucket list!</p>]]>
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		<published>2009-07-15T19:14:33Z</published>
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