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This Is How We Lost To The White Man

10 Jul 2009 01:06 pm

Copped the Mos Def album, and I'm ashamed to report that it hasn't grabbed me. Love his MCing, as always. The beats not too much.

I can't help but think that the YYYs have something to do with this. Damn these white people and their damned white music. Damn them all. They'll make mayo-eaters out of everyone of us, yet. Or maybe just me...


Soft Shock - Yeah Yeah Yeahs

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"These White People...(wi)ll make mayo-eaters out of everyone of us, yet."

And exactly how did moms make the potato salad in your house ? You can blame us for a lot of shit, but the enthusiasm for too much mayonaisse has long been officially "black."

Acromion (Replying to: brucds)

LOL I hear ya there brucds.

From working in the fast food biz I can tell you that black ppl love mayo more than anyone! :)

Liza (Replying to: brucds)

Yeah, potato salad AND cole slaw, tuna salad, chicken salad, egg salad, deviled eggs, just to name a few of the most common uses.
I make some very decent fish tacos by breading and pan frying tilapia (in canola), chopping some cabbage, then mix 1 part ketchup to 1 part mayo for the sauce and put it all on warmed corn tortilla. Use a low fat mayo, but not Miracle Whip.

hey, can't expect even Mos Def to come up in the spot looking extra fly, every time. and that's ok.

soft shock = GREAT song. i am still not totally sold on the YYYs but damn - they can put a good one together. come on tnc, you can enjoy it!:)

Dave Herman

All I know is I picked up my mayo-on-fries habit while living in Senegal. I guess it's just a post-racial world...

eric k (Replying to: Dave Herman)

Nah, its simply a French thing, I've never seen Mayo on fries anywhere but France, Belguim or former French colonies.

And of course pretentious places in the US that are pretending to be French:-)

Persia (Replying to: eric k)

But mayo on fries is so good.

Bill L. (Replying to: eric k)

It's quite common in Utah. Ask for "fry sauce"--it's just mayo with some ketchup mixed in.

eric k (Replying to: Bill L.)

ketchup mixed with mayo is poor man's french dressing.

Heck my grandmother who of course lived through the depression sill makes it that way even though she is well into upper middle class if not rich tax brackets.

TNC, before you know it, you'll rocking out to the Smashing Pumpkins and driving a Prius.

Leon Rogers

The CD as a whole is not that big of a deal but the track Roses with Georgia Anne Muldrow is a winner. Then again, I'm a Georgia Anne Muldrow stan.

"And exactly how did moms make the potato salad in your house ?

you took the words out of my "mouth" brucds! Unless, perhaps you dislike potato salad TNC? I sympathize I hate mayonaisse, except in potato salad (perhaps I have this schizophrenic attitude towards mayo because I'm just sort of white, being "spanish" and all. I'm kidding folks.)

This reminds me of a Dave Chappelle line (paraphrasing though), "i though I liked fried chicken because it was delicious...little did I know I was genetically predisposed to liking it..."

I used to loathe mayo in all its forms. I'm still not all that fond of it, though I'll tolerate it on a potato salad. If I use a dressing on a sandwich, it's usually mustard.

eric k (Replying to: Tim McGaha)

I used to be totally anti mayo on sandwiches too (except BLTs) but have found two really good variations:

Our local pub chain in Oregon (McMenamins) has a turkey and swiss sandwich with Mayo and Cranberry sauce, great combo. The other one is Trader Joes sometimes has a Mayo-Wasabi combo, that is awesome on a roast beef sandwich.

Just remember to blame the Koreans a little bit too haha

"I can't help but think that the YYYs have something to do with this. Damn these white people and their damned white music. Damn them all. They'll make mayo-eaters out of everyone of us, yet. Or maybe just me..."

This is funny! TNC, pretty soon you won't be able to dance to the beat anymore either! And be making that "white man's face" when you are trying to hear the music...you know, biting your lower lip just trying to feel the beat...

mjnewt0n (Replying to: mjnewt0n)

wait I found a picture of the "white man's dance"...

You may want to get used to dancing like this

I actually feel the same way about Maxwell's new joint - feels tired and uninspired and, well, boring. But I'm actually kinda banging this new Mos. I absolutely fell in love with the track with Slick Rick.

And yeah, don't let Eddie Griffin fool you. Mayo ain't that bad. I don't like too much of it. But something has gotta keep my samich from being too dry.

unperson (Replying to: blackink)

I haven't heard the new Mos Def yet; didn't love whatever I saw the video for. I'm starting to get the feeling the new Maxwell is one of those "good for you" albums you're "supposed to like." That's what always turned me off neo-soul - the piety of it. But I'm nobody to talk to about it - my unofficial summer soundtrack, it turns out, is Elvis's Walk A Mile In My Shoes: The Essential '70s Masters box.

blackink (Replying to: unperson)

I think you're right. When I told folks that I wasn't feeling "Pretty Wings," at all, it damn near felt like blasphemy.

Jamilah (Replying to: blackink)

I'm with you on Maxwell. It is depressing album and I'm disappointed because I was really looking forward to his comeback.

thatgirl_b (Replying to: blackink)

loooved the Madlib beat with the Bollywood strings on that one with Slick Rick...

I think rap music in general is so god awful these days that most were over hoping for messiah Mos to pull a 2nd coming of Black on Both Sides. I was anyway. Against that expectation, he can't help but underperform.
As for white people and their mayonaise spreading cancer...there is a Starbucks on 181st and Ft. Washington Ave. :P

I hate fucking jar mayonnaise. Homemade FTW.

Also worthless are prepared sandwiches with mayonnaise already in it, where it makes the bread all soggy and disgusting. Whoever invented that idea needs some detention time.

Are we talking mayo mayo or does miracle whip count? On Mos, the album is womp womp (with the exception of Casa Bey, which is fire). DOn't know anything about the YYYs--but I recently got turned on to the band Pheonix and have been banging them steadily all summer.

BlueStateWatchDog (Replying to: bertie)

Phoenix is that band! Love their music, great rhythm and musicianship.

Joel (Replying to: bertie)

Phoenix used to play as the backing band for Air. No kidding. Listen to the "Kelly Watch the Stars" edit -- the one where the band is featured heavily. Great version. Also the Moog Cookbook remix is fantastic.

Ulysses (not yet home)

Thank you Bertie, for correctly noting that in our community, the condiment ingredient of potato salad is actually Miracle Whip instead of Mayo. This is nearly universal to the degree that there are entire generations who are unaware that "mayonaise" and Miracle Whip are in fact different. Many of us, never having tasted actual mayonaise until adulthood, find its taste off-putting but still use the terms interchangeably.

I was one of those kids that was brought up never knowing that Miracle Whip was not mayo. It was not until I left and was at college that I discovered I had been lied to. Now nothing but Best Foods/Hellmans will do. Although I have now developed a fondness for mixing it with some BBQ sauce.

So true Ulysses. I was in my 20s before I realized that miracle whip wasn't what others considered mayo. This knowledge and a trust fund are the two biggest things my parents failed to give me.

may be just a sign of my age but it seems to me that ironically when sampling started to die so did much of the creativity in the music/beats. whose got the jazz?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_-4GFV7uTE

There's a great melding of the musical styles on the Discovery LP: imagine some indie rock kids (like, for instance, a member of Vampire Weekend) got together, bought themselves an auto tune, dabbled in some electric beats and mixed together their pop sensibilities and made an album. It would sound like this (and have a fresh - and timely - cover of the Jackson 5's "I Want You Back").

Dig it...it might be your summer soundtrack:
Discovery on MySpace

Marco Rogers

Gotta agree on the Mos Def album.

Good Rap = Good Rhymes + Good Beats

(Notice I didn't say good Hip Hop. I don't wanna get into that debate.)

Clearly one can bolster the other (or most of today's rappers would be out of a job), but they have to mesh on some level. I understand Mos is trying to get us to expand their horizons in terms of music. But I keep running into this dissonance when trying to listen to MCing over tracks that aren't the more traditional kind. Common is going the same way. His last album is basically a pop album with him rhyming over it. It just doesn't work for me.

They'll make mayo-eaters out of everyone of us, yet. Or maybe just me...

Maybe you can one of those watches with the secret hot-sauce compartment that Eddie Griffin used in "Undercover Brother."

This is how black people will punish us for stealing rock music: by overvaluing the worst of what we've done with it. There, fixed.

Leee (Replying to: Jonathan)

YYY hardly qualify as the worst. Coldplay, and the strangely elevated rep they enjoy among hip-hop producers, on the other hand...

Jonathan (Replying to: Leee)

That's what I'm saying dog! Rapperdudes and their Cold Play and John Mayer and sh*t.

Fie on your mayo! Cucumber sandwiches for the win!

(Mayo on fries? That's better known as heart-attack-in-a-convenient-disposable-tray.)

Ha. I swear I must be the only person diggin' this new Mos album from top to bottom.

True, the beats are a bit random and difficult to grasp at times. And there's also the fact that this isn't the BOBS era Mos than many of us still desperately wish to hear from again. Yet these shortcomings somehow manage to make the album into a fine, honest piece of work.

It sort of reminds me of a blog...the randomness, the honesty, the politics...I dig it.

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