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Thursday At The Met

30 Jul 2009 02:45 pm

Salome.jpg


This is Regnault's Salome. I do it a great injustice by reproducing it here on this blog--you can't feel the texture. Please go see it yourself. Again, this is about knowing something is beautiful and not knowing why. It's like I love Coltrane's "Afro-Blue," but I could never really tell you why.

I do know that it's always nice to see an ample, dark-haired woman smiling at you from across the room. Well any woman really,  but today this woman. That her blouse is off her shoulder probably helps.  When I saw this I actually started smiling myself.

The Met is haunted. Whenever I'm there, I hear voices. Well one voice telling me all this weird stuff--Get rid of your cell-phone, Walk everywhere you go, Only eat food that you've prepared, After you leave here, write for four straight hours, Gather your loved ones and move to Colorado, Disconnect your broadband...

Freaky, I tell you.

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atlantapril

It's the lushness...the bare fleshiness...the sassiness...plus, she looks at home in her body. That's always attractive.

TNC, say more about Colorado... I noticed it's the second time you've mentioned it recently. I grew up there, so I'm curious about your impressions.

irishpirate

Amazing painting. From this vantage point it almost looks like a photo.

BreakerBaker (Replying to: irishpirate)

From this vantage point, it is a photo.

she has 80's glam metal hair

Teknontheou (Replying to: the_ill)

I was thinking more along the lines of Rick James. But yeah.

Craig T (Replying to: Teknontheou)

She's got a bit of a Flashdance-era Jennifer Beals thing going on with black girl-type hair and mostly white girl facial features. The model was Italian, and she probably has some amount of mixed North African ancestry.

AliHajiSheik (Replying to: the_ill)

At this risk of drawing TNC's ire, I thought this was a photo of Slash from GNR in drag without his hat. There is certainly something haunting about it.

mrein (Replying to: AliHajiSheik)

I was about to write the same thing.

lebecka (Replying to: mrein)

LOL! So right!

Kaykuri (Replying to: the_ill)

Since you brought this up, I now feel comfortable admitting that my very first reaction to seeing this beautiful work of art, from the elbows up as it rendered in my browser was, "Eddie Van Halen? WTF?"

Pontchartrain Girl

I like the layers of textiles. All so different and kind of helterskelter. Adds texture, sensuality, and the feeling of movement. It's like she just sat down for a second to laugh at you for wanting to read or write all the time. What a seductress.

DALitvak (Replying to: Pontchartrain Girl)

Word. I'm reminded of why I love going to the museum. Damn, if I'm not going to stop by the MFA (finally!) in Boston when I get back to school in the fall.

I can't stop glancing back up the page for another look at her face. There something between playfulness and hunger there. She seems restless. I wish I could see this painting in person, though. The way artists use paint as a substance can sometimes say as much as the image they've created in two dimensions, I think. There's an abstract painting at LACMA here in Los Angeles, I think it's called Diamond No. 1... it's maybe 6 feet tall and 2 wide, and the paint is maybe 2 or three inches thick in the middle. It's so thick it's fallen off at the middle point of the diamond, making crumbly gaps in the heart of the painting.

Lush. Your post reminds me of how I felt when I visited the Uffizi in Florence right out of college. Totally fell in love with Titian's Venus of Urbino. This doesn't do it justice -- the texture on that painting is gorgeous also. I know she's not a dark-haired woman though...

http://www.puzzlehouse.com/images/webpage/venusofurbino.jpg

Elizabeth Anne (Replying to: lisa)

No, but they're both real women with real bodies who look like they know what they're about. I love them...

BreakerBaker (Replying to: Elizabeth Anne)

I think I know what you mean by 'real women,' but I think it's probably worth noting that Titian probably invented the woman in his painting.

lebecka (Replying to: BreakerBaker)

Why? Couldn't Titian afford a model... or know any females?

BreakerBaker (Replying to: BreakerBaker)

I didn’t see this question until now, at the risk of this being a genuine call to void, I will give a response:
There’s a common misconception that all art depicting the human form realistically was made using a live model. In fact, if we go back, in certain regions, this was more often the exception than the rule. This was the case in Italy whether it be Florence, Venice, or Rome. This is not to say that Titian did not have ample experience working from life, it’s just that there’s very little that indicates he was regularly using models to populate his large Christian or Classical mythological paintings. In fact, when you look at the paintings themselves, it’s not all that difficult to tell which ones are made through strict observation and which are made through an adherence to a sort of formulaic method designed to mimic what he’d learned from observation. During the Renaissance, pure observation was much more strictly adhered to by the Flemish and Germanic painters of the north than it would have been the Italians who, because they were trained as fresco painters, were quite skilled at the art of invention. Observation in Italy really began to get a foothold with the Caravaggisti and other Baroque movements of the late 16th century (about a hundred years after Titian). Still, there was a lot of formulaic invention going on in that work too. Painters didn’t begin to really openly reject invention until somebody like Courbet started defining the term Realist in the middle 19th Century.

As pleased with life as the Mona Lisa, but much explicit that the delight is from worldly pleasures.

Oh, damn. I thought for a second too long and caught on about which pleasure she had in mind. That platter, with a head on it!

Still, it's easy to see why King Herod thought she was worth the effort.

Persia (Replying to: sporcupine)

But that's what makes her smile so wonderful-- it's from anticipation. Check out that knife.

LarryGeater

A few years ago when the wonders of Florence came to Memphis I saw a drawing by Michael Angelo. It was the first time I had seen a work that lost that much in reproduction. I had seen this immage many times including in my art apreciation text book. But the impact of seeing the drawing itslef was really powerfull. I missed the rest of the exhibition because I just stood in front of this one drawing until they chased me out. It was an almost religious experience. The only things I have seen that affected me that much were wonders of nature like the northern lights.

Deborah (Replying to: LarryGeater)

I agree about the huge difference between a reproduction, postcard or online, and the real thing. I remember a show of sketches at the Harvard Art Museum, and a couple just stood out, stunning, even though they were simple, a few lines showing a bull for instance. Both were by Rembrandt, but I didn't know that until I had picked out those two to examine in more detail.

And I have a few prints of Chao Shao An's stuff, but sadly he isn't often found in museums here. The real thing is so much more than the T-shirt.

Why we need museums.

(Though I do wish more collections were online so you could easily illustrate a point--the Harvard Museum has a painting of St Sebastian from several hundred years ago that's the only piece I've ever immediately thought "artist is gay and in lust with his model." It's stunningly sensual. But it doesn't seem to exist online.)

LarryGeater (Replying to: Deborah)

Have you tried http://www.artcyclopedia.com/

It is an excelent resource for looking for art by movement or artist.

AMT (Replying to: LarryGeater)

You what causes the northern lights? Solar wind hitting the magnetic field that surrounds the planet (which is apparently generated by earth's iron core). Apparently, without the magnetic field, solar winds would quickly strip away Earth's atmosphere. Earth has a force field! I bugged out when I found out, all of two years ago.I think this one of the coolest things I ever learned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_borealis#Auroral_mechanism

/nerdiness

LarryGeater (Replying to: AMT)

I have seen the northern lights come out so beautiful that a battalion movement stopped to watch the show. I have over stayed a guard-shift at 30 below to watch another. It is like that original painting. You can hear all the descriptions in the world and look at all the video and photographs you want but when you experience them filling the heavens you do not just see them you feel them. They are a sight worth freezing ones ass off for.

Sure she's hot now, but wait 'til your head ends up on that platter...

As far as Afro-Blue goes, may I suggest comparing the 1963 "Live at Birdland" version (which I presume you're talking about) to the much more out-there 1966 "Live in Japan" version? Maybe that'll clarify things.

xochi (Replying to: Paul B)

Or for that matter the original by Mongo Santamaria (on Afro Roots). No disrespect to Trane, but that is the tops, IMHO.

Paul B (Replying to: xochi)

I dunno, I'd say Trane's take on "Afro-Blue" has more in common with "My Favorite Things" than with Mongo's original. Mongo's recording has like 9 drummers playing strict Afro-Cuban time, while Trane's got Elvin Jones (or Rashied Ali in 66) pushing and pulling a loose modal groove every which way. Both are great, but they're incommensurable.

But anyway, I bet if TNC or anybody who's curious listens to Mongo's "Afro-Blue," or the same tune by a later Trane group (i.e. "Live in Japan"), or a similar tune by the classic Trane quartet (e.g., "Out of This World" from the "Coltrane" album) -- he'd hear how they're different, and from there it shouldn't be hard to hear what makes each great.

Also: Cal Tjader!

Elizabeth Anne

I hear those voices whenever I go here:
http://www.olbrich.org/

minamadchica (Replying to: Elizabeth Anne)

Heh, me too. Greetings from a fellow Madisonian! (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Elizabeth Anne (Replying to: minamadchica)

Nope, not wrong. :D I think there's something about living here that lends itself to hearing those voices, too...

that voice is the "call of conscience" which Martin Heidegger connected to works of art in his Being&Time and The Origin of the Work of Art. There he argues that Art works (like VanGogh's painting of a peasant's shoes or a Greek temple) call us back into participating in the things that make life matter. Unfortunately he would have been shocked that you, an American and of African descent, are capable of such profound experiences but his prejudices shouldn't wipe out his insights.

Deborah (Replying to: dmf)

It says so much about this blog that a respectful discussion of Heidegger can break out naturally in the comments.

dmf (Replying to: Deborah)

hey all, thanks for your thoughtful comments and sorry i missed this conversation , we got hit with tornadoes so i was busy taking cover, i'm fine and hope that everyone else in the mid-south is also ok. when considering how severe/old-testament southern theology was never count out the weather as a factor. who knew blogging on the sublime?

TNC:
A long way from Lake Trout, Druid Hill Park, and Mondawmin isn't it?

(Or is it?)

Also, you should ban dmf from comments for referencing Heidegger. (Joking)

I heard a few of those voices at the DeCordova last week.

My approach to a museum is to wander and settle in wherever I want to focus for a while, not feeling guilty at passing up other stuff. At MOMA a few years back I was settled in front of Monet's huge water lily picture--some people joined me, some passed on after a glance. One family entered the room, arranged in front of the painting, *snap* with the cell phone, then swept on to snap themselves in front of the next Great Art Piece. It was weird, and sad.

I hate to be the uncultured jerk... but to me that chick looks a little Tom Hanks circa 1980.

When I lived in Manhattan for a year, my wife and I systematically went through the entire Met, roughly chronologically. It is an amazing place. What I remember most was the day we hit the Carvaggios. Suddenly the paintings had a kind of psychological depth (or perhaps just intensity; subtlety often escapes me) unlike anything that came before them.

p.s. it took 18 visits, an hour or two each, spread over 10 months

haunting, but beautiful.

Is envy an OK emotion to have in this case? Not that I don't share and understand the sentiment, but the comments about seeing the works of artists that I've read about sort of makes me feel like a rube.

I think great art is probably one of those things that has to be experienced in person, like standing up on Ptarmigan tunnel in Glacier Park, or falling in love, the descriptions never quite match the reality.

Persia (Replying to: Sorn)

No, that's true too. When you stand in front of the real thing it's something very different. Dartmouth College has these Assyrian reliefs that are amazing on a computer screen but in person are...

You feel very small and very humble and very young.

Deborah (Replying to: Persia)

This was my argument for going to the Grand Canyon this summer. I had been at around age 19, for a few hours, and no photo does it justice. Photos have edges.

We got up early one day and watched the sunrise. Someone my husband worked with had said that they walked along the rim on their visit and got exhausted because the view didn't change. I disagreed--the way the light changed was remarkable, though I could see that it would make a boring slide show.

A week later, the same applied to Antelope Canyon. You've seen photos--just toss "Antelope Canyon" into google image. But the reality, when you can move around, when the light changes--it's different.

What's not to like about this painting... leopard print, loose hair, confidence, radiant health, seduction, a suggestion of violence and humor, and the depth of black against gold.

I can't wait to see this in person.

What I like about it is the way her feet are restlessly sliding in and out of her slippers.

The first time I saw that painting I was floored -- because that woman is a dead ringer for my friend K.

K was adopted, and I feel pretty confident that her great-great grandmother worked as a model in Rome.

I have a picture of this painting on my camera, waiting to be downloaded. I was just at the Met 2 weekends ago with visiting relatives from Ohio (brother, his wife and their two kids). It was their first time in NY and they were only in for a day. We started in Chinatown, hit Soho, Wash square park, train to the Museum of Natural History, walk through Central Park, then to the Met (yes exhausting). As we walked by this painting at the Met we were stopped in our tracks. She is so alive and vibrant and sassy. Seeing this picture as I opened up your blog also stopped me in my tracks. It seems like a link in our collective conciousness through the virtual community. Brooklyn says hello to Harlem.

All I can say is" Christianne Amanpour".

I love to trace the "ideal woman" body image through history. When women got the vote in 1920, you can see the ideal being slim and flat-chested as women strove to be like men. During the 1940s, you have the manly shoulder pads and suits as women moved into men's spheres. In the 1950s, when the men came home from war, the "womanly" figure came back in style--of course, that's what men missed! In the 1960s, you see the unisex styles (blue jeans, loose-fitting clothes) as youth sought to make a brotherhood of man. By the 1980s, the "man-like" shoulder padded suits were back in style as women sought to climb the corporate ladder. The backlash against women's power is seen in the 1990s as "heroin chic" became the ideal. Strong women were seen as too threatening. The backlash against strong women can also be seen in the "pneumatic" look of say, Pamela Anderson, which reduces women to their breast sizes. It seems like Hollywood is still stuck in that era--actresses and models seem shaped like pre-teen boys, except for their surgically enhanced breasts. Can they get any smaller and weaker looking?

kekemen (Replying to: cham)
It seems like Hollywood is still stuck in that era--actresses and models seem shaped like pre-teen boys, except for their surgically enhanced breasts. Can they get any smaller and weaker looking?

Agreed. I don't know when the prepubescent look came to stay.

Very true. The problem with colorado springs is the heavy military influence. I moved there in '76, expecting to live there forever. But during a summer, my co-workers - I worked at the incredible broadmoor hotel - repeatedly, though inadvertantly, made "nigger jokes" in my presence before they remembered that I was in their presence, and I saw more gratuitous violence than I'd ever seen growing up in the inner city of detroit.
The final straw was some redneck calling me a nigger and literally pointing a shotgun at me from his pickup truck window - a distance of about 2 feet - as I rode home at midnight on my bicycle on a dark side road on cheyenne mountain.
I left within a week, leaving about two grand worth of waterbed and furniture.
Colorado is truly kentucky with the rockies. Plus a few enlightened places like boulder and aspen.

frankie d (Replying to: frankie d)

My "very true" above referred to the comment way, way up that noted that there are wignuts in colorado springs. They've been there for a long time. Probably because of the military influence.

Bruins2Lakers

Coltrane--see i thought music, too...but I was thinking more along the lines of if I had that dress, oh, the clubs I'd visit...

Bruins2Lakers

Ok, now I just showed that picture to each of my sons separately, one 19, one nearly 21. The 21 year-old said she looks like a drag queen in the West Hollywood Christmas parade, (and that is not disparaging, BTW--my son has diverse friends of myriad orientations), and the 19 year-old thought it as Gene Simmons of KISS in a dress made from draperies.
I am deeply worried about this generation coming up, T-NC!

An absolutely lush portait. I really enjoy portraiture. Art museums are truly national treasures.

The Met is one of my all-time favorite places to go. I also like the MoMA. I enjoy and appreciate art exhibits, when I can get to one. I've seen the Ansel Adams retrospective, the Van Gogh retrospective, and the Gaugin retrospective. My Dear Brother and I were so desperate to see the Van Gogh, which was at the National Gallery in Washington, DC, we purchased scalped tickets. LOL!

I did notice at each of the above events the dearth of people of color, and particularly Black people.

Persia (Replying to: Marcy Webb)

You mean attending? I don't know how I'd feel about Gaugin if I were a person of color. Hell, I don't know how I feel about him now. I'm usually pretty good at separating the person from the art, but it's hard to do with him.

Deborah (Replying to: Persia)

I can't speak to the comparative percentages, but I usually see a good mix of people. Two that have stayed with me:

One of the most striking women I've ever seen was at MOMA. Black, short afro with bleached-in polka dots, white blouse, brown swirly leathery looking skirt, substantial but walkable leather sandals. In a city full of people trying to look fashionable, she made it look effortless. That image stays with me in an "if I ever pay more attention to my hair and expand my wardrobe beyond LL Bean, that's how I want the result to come across" way.

And at the Science Museum in Boston, a mom of small toddler twins who was letting them wander the museum at will. I did this with my single children, but overwhelmingly people keep the kids under 4 strapped firmly into strollers. To see a mother with TWO tiny toddlers give them the freedom to explore--again, that's stayed with me.

I understand exactly what you mean about feeling haunted. I feel that way when I go to the beach sometimes, or when I go to art museums and galleries. Even certain street art and graffiti I see on my way to and from work. That feeling you're in the presence of something larger than yourself and that feeling that you're not doing enough with what you've been given. I got that same feeling a few months back after seeing the Robert Frank retrospective at the National Gallery of Art in DC.

I always come out of those situations thinking I need to chuck my TV, stop with the online social networking, and wander around with my camera much more than I do now.

Anyway, I love this painting too. It's so kinetic it is; you can almost see her fidgeting. But yeah, the best way to experience paintings are up close, where you can see the brushstrokes, the textures of the paint, the decisions that the artist made on the canvas.

Dani (Replying to: Dani)

Argh. I just meant to say "It's so kinetic." Time to sign off.

BreakerBaker

It's a very nice painting from a French painter whose work has been more or less forgotten for having the misfortune of being produced by an Academic just after the death of the Academy.

TNC, while I'm not surprised by your appreciation of the craft, I'm sort of surprised that you don't call attention to the sort of hazy ethnic and racial subtext of the piece.

Here's a sublimely tragic bit of art history. The piece is from 1870. It hung, and was a great sensation, in the 1870 Salon. Regnault was killed 1871 in the Franco Prussian War. He was 28.

I get these feelings from music and live theatre more than pictures. The last 2 lines of Rilke's "Archaic Torso of Apollo" nail it for me.

We cannot know his legendary head
with eyes like ripening fruit. And yet his torso
is still suffused with brilliance from inside,
like a lamp, in which his gaze, now turned to low,

gleams in all its power. Otherwise
the curved breast could not dazzle you so, nor could
a smile run through the placid hips and thighs
to that dark center where procreation flared.

Otherwise this stone would seem defaced
beneath the translucent cascade of the shoulders
and would not glisten like a wild beast’s fur:

would not, from all the borders of itself,
burst like a star: for here there is no place
that does not see you. You must change your life.

I love this picture, the girl in it looks so sexy and naughty. A few months ago I was at the Met, on a rainy Sunday, when it was packed, and I was looking at the picture. A couple was walking by, and they cast a glance at the picture. The girl said, "who is that?", and the guy replied "I dunno, some French hooker!" Which may or may not be true... but I thought it was funny anyway !

Isn't that Marc Bolan?

"I do know that it's always nice to see an ample, dark-haired woman smiling at you from across the room"

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Thanks! ;) (lol sorry I could not resist the allure of the lol this time around...nor the emoticon)

TNC, your link for Regnault at the beginning is for another painter (I noticed his birth/death dates didn't seem right) ... the one you want is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Regnault

she can't wait...she can't wait to cut his fucking head off.

she can't wait...she can't wait to cut his fucking head off.

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